Curse

guolisong · Mar 21, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Talarian · Mar 21, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

How do you know its a "gold farmer" and not just someone who farms for fun/got a lucky drop/has been playing since the dawn of time?

Bryant Again · Mar 21, 2008, 10:45 PM // 22:45

They make things a bit more laggy, but that's about it. /shrug

Talarian · Mar 21, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Still don't get how you know, I have stacks of most things people want to buy, and will sell all at the same time if I need the money. If I were to know though, I can't say I'd have a problem with it, they have to put in time and effort to get these things after all, the fact they are being paid is irrelevant.

Bryant Again · Mar 21, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by guolisong

I'm not asking your opinion on gold farmers I'm asking for the opinion on purchasing from gold farmers.

Oh. Well, I guess my attitude towards them isn't any different.

Unholy Tank V · Mar 21, 2008, 10:57 PM // 22:57

yes besides the fact that they are ruining the economy, their time and effort shouldn't go unrewarded *Sarcasm*

Talarian · Mar 21, 2008, 11:01 PM // 23:01

If that's what you wanted to know, you should be asking about people's opinions on RMT companies. Of course selling gold for real money is wrong, it breaks the game. But that isn't what you asked

Bryant Again · Mar 21, 2008, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by Talarian

If that's what you wanted to know, you should be asking about people's opinions on RMT companies. Of course selling gold for real money is wrong, it breaks the game. But that isn't what you asked

How does it break the game when there's nearly nothing to break? A person having one billion gold won't do anything to you. The most expensive "essential" items are runes, and the most expensive is around 15k-25k these days.

I'm totally against gold sellers in typical MMO's such as WoW, but Guild Wars isn't "typical" (nor is it an MMO but that's not the point in my post). The most essential items are easy to get. Everything after that is nothing but vanity.

Sorry Andrew, but that's how I feel.

miskav · Mar 21, 2008, 11:06 PM // 23:06

It happens anyway, so you might aswell jump on the bandwagon :P

DivineEnvoy · Mar 21, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by guolisong

So how about the they sell the gold they get from you for real money part?

You are only supporting gold sellers if you purchase gold with your money in real life.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

They typically only understands simple English words.

How do you know that?

Bryant Again · Mar 21, 2008, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

You are only supporting gold sellers if you purchase gold with your money in real life.

Well, you'd be buying items from them and giving them gold - gold that they'll later use to sell in real-life purchases. So in a sense, you *are* supporting them, whether or not you know it.

N8mare · Mar 21, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

STOP repeating the same bull*** about RMT breaking the economy.

In the real world the more money flows into the market - the higher the prices go. It is called INFLATION.

In Guild Wars there is no "outside" source of money. The platinums are farmed in game and they remain in game. The only thing that changes is the owner.

Do you see inflation in GW? of course not - the prices are not rising, they are FALLING! Not because RMT, but because Arena Net, which implemented Zaishen chests and Ursan.

Please, please please... stop behave like 8 y.o. and repeat what you heard from G. Gray.

Use your brains!

upier · Mar 21, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

I am too cheap to waste real life money on virtual gold.
Otherwise - of course I wouldn't have a problem obtaining it! I play to have fun and I have fun getting and trying out new stuff. Hence - I need gold! And this would help me obtain it.
A win-win situation for me!

Lord Darksoul · Mar 21, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11

Meh, it doesn't matter to me. I'm doing something completely legal, I neither care what the guy does with the gold, and rarely even know what he'll do with the gold. It's ANet's job to shutdown ppl like that. I'm just here buying what I need with my legally made gold.

Bryant Again · Mar 21, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by upier

I am too cheap to waste real life money on virtual gold.
Otherwise - of course I wouldn't have a problem obtaining it! I play to have fun and I have fun getting and trying out new stuff. Hence - I need gold! And this would help me obtain it.
A win-win situation for me!

Doh, you did the same mishap I did. He's talking about buying items (like unidentified golds for like 1k each) from the gold sellers, not buying gold from their websites.

upier · Mar 21, 2008, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Doh, you did the same mishap I did. He's talking about buying items (like unidentified golds for like 1k each) from the gold sellers, not buying gold from their websites.

Yeah I got to your post - and then I skipped to the end since I figured it was just a bunch of people giving statements that nobody reads.

I guess not ...

So on-topic:
If those guys don't have a secret trick to be able to craft armour and are selling it for much cheaper then that bastard armour crafter - there isn't much I need from them.
And the few times that I need stuff from other player - the guys with the lowest price get my business.
Once again - I am cheap.

Ork Pride · Mar 21, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20

I really didn't care.

Gli · Mar 21, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

I'll buy anything from anyone as long as I like the deal. What happens next isn't my problem. I'm playing a game, not helping ANet run it.

Talarian · Mar 21, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by N8mare

STOP repeating the same bull*** about RMT breaking the economy.

In the real world the more money flows into the market - the higher the prices go. It is called INFLATION.

In Guild Wars there is no "outside" source of money. The platinums are farmed in game and they remain in game. The only thing that changes is the owner.

Do you see inflation in GW? of course not - the prices are not rising, they are FALLING! Not because RMT, but because Arena Net, which implemented Zaishen chests and Ursan.

Please, please please... stop behave like 8 y.o. and repeat what you heard from G. Gray.

Use your brains!

If you're going to talk about economics, do it properly. There are two main types of goods - normal goods and inferior goods. The difference is that when incomes rise, demand for normal goods goes up (and so prices go up) and demand for inferior goods goes down (and so prices go down).

In the GW economy, the difference between normal and inferior goods is a lot more extreme than it is in the real world. Things such as tomes, runes, mods, these are all inferior goods. If you stumbled across a r9 crystalline from the Zaishen chest, you wouldn't sell it to buy more tomes.

Normal goods are things like rare skinned weapons and rare minipets. And prices for these HAVE been going up, to the point where the casual gamer CANNOT afford them.

In addition, the fact that these people farm intensively DOES cause more money to enter the economy. Without, for example, tome sellers, people would have to spend their money at skill traders, thus taking up to 1k out of the economy per skill. As items have a value in game, the very existence of more items means there is more money in the economy. It is called GDP, or gross domestic product, the value of all goods and services produced in an economy.

Ergo, RMT DOES break the GW economy, because it provides the casual gamer with items they would not normally have, and the hardcore with more money for their goods that they would not normally get.

DivineEnvoy · Mar 21, 2008, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Well, you'd be buying items from them and giving them gold - gold that they'll later use to sell in real-life purchases. So in a sense, you *are* supporting them, whether or not you know it.

Nonetheless, the trade itself is still legal. How the seller will make the use of the gold gained from the trade is really his or her own responsibility. Therefore, for being the buyers of these items, we have only participated the legit part of the game with these sellers, and we aren't responsible to what they do with the gold; hence, that's why they are banned if they breach EULA, while we still have rights to keep playing the game.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Where do you think they get the in game gold from? Merching items to merchant? LOl?

Why not? That's how I get my gold.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Experience is all I can say for that. I'm not here to justify who are the gold farmers.

In other words, you are basically assuming that gold sellers only have basic English skills based on your experience, and there's no actual evidence or facts to support this assumption. In short, you are basically assuming certain people to be gold sellers based on certain characteristics of theirs. Isn't that just prejudice?